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KaiRo

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Weave is Firefox is SeaMonkey is Confusing Me

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20.05.2010 13:42

Pete

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Firefox Brand
For end users like my mom, Firefox is the brand. They never heard of Mozilla. So, it's logical to focus this. I mean, Mozilla focused on Firefox since a couple of years. Sadly projects like Thunderbird or Seamonkey don't get the attention they deserve.
I think it's a big management mistake because right now, when Webkit gains more and more market share, we'll see that Firefox alone can't compete against it. But Mozilla decided to kill Gecko as a platform...
20.05.2010 14:25

Misak

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I think that the Mozilla should use brand Mozilla for such cases, so Mozilla Sync looks ok for me.
20.05.2010 14:37

Pavel Cvr?ek

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Way of discussion
Robert, is there any dicussion about your disagreement? In other words, did you start discussion about it in some place where Weave development is discussed? I don't think comments below blogposts. Why am I talking about? Because I think that discussion about such things is better to do on right place. I'm not sure that your blog is right place for such discussion (although it's more visible).
20.05.2010 15:23

Pete

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Place for discussion
Pavel: Why shouldn't he post in his own blog. As far as I know, Mozilla still is (isn't it?) a community based organization where discussions like these should happen in the public.
20.05.2010 15:56

Michael Lefevre

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Well it makes no sense for Seamonkey or Thunderbird to include "Firefox Sync", so I guess it will have to have different names there.

But I wonder if it makes any difference if Weave loses its own identity. From a marketing point of view, "Firefox Sync" can be marketed when it's new. As and when it becomes an established part of Firefox, it will just be thought of as the sync function that's part of Firefox. Same for the other apps. It means that Weave loses its own identity, but I don't know if that matters - people might use Firefox (or Seamonkey) because it has Weave, but it seems unlikely that Weave could be marketed separately, so that people would go to a "Weave product" and from there decide to download and start using a Mozilla browser.
20.05.2010 16:08

KaiRo

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Pavel:
This is just a way to make a note about my confusion. This hasn't been discussed publicly before it happened, AFAIK, so I can only take the decision for granted and that's it. I have no idea where else I could have reasonably discussed it, and I think there's no way it would change anyhow.

Michael:
Well, what you say is exactly one reason why I'm confused marketing-wise. The add-on is now rebranded, and that means we need to refer people to install "Firefox Sync" in SeaMonkey and Thunderbird if they want this functionality, as that's what it's called now!
20.05.2010 16:15

Tony Mechelynck

aus Brussels, Belgium

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The various kinds of confusion mentioned in the above comments are nothing new, I think. Some years ago, every time I started my new Netscape 6, a splash popup appeared in the middle of my desktop saying "Gecko". I had no idea what "Gecko" meant then, I think some people thought it was the new name of Netscape, others thought it was some kind of bootstrap utility whose role was to bring Netscape up to speed, but to me the browser-and-mailer was still "Netscape". I have learnt a few things since then, I have a better idea what "Gecko" means but I'm still unsure of where its boundaries are: is Toolkit part of Gecko? And what about NSS and NSPR? I don't know. Back then, the word "Gecko" had great visibility, maybe because it was new. But where is Gecko now? Oh wait, under Help=>About there's a long string of gobbledygook at the bottom, which starts with "Mozilla/5.0" and ends with "Gecko" followed by a slash and a string of digits. (I know that string of gobbledygook is called the User Agent but my granny wouldn't.) Not very self-explanatory to the layperson, but the name is still there.
20.05.2010 17:49

InvisibleSmiley

aus Frankfurt, Germany

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I think the decision makes perfect sense from FF's POV. If it'd be doable easily I'd even call it SeaMonkey Sync and Thunderbird Sync at the same time, depending on the application it gets installed in. This should be possible code-wise. The problem here is AMO I guess, which is the primary add-on site for users. I'd be surprised if it allowed different names for the same add-on, depending on the chosen application. If it doesn't then SM and TB users will see it as and will have to search for Firefox Sync since it's unreasonable to have (to maintain) multiple versions of the same add-on. Which is, in any way, unfortunate, to say the least. :-(

Bummer, I really like the look and sound of "SeaMonkey Sync".
20.05.2010 23:56

auscompgeek

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If Weave gets renamed for each app, it will confuse us even more, as we can sync between each app...
21.05.2010 00:18

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