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25.06.2010 16:10

Peter

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See these mockups for the current implementation plan for bookmarks bar/additional app toolbars in Firefox with tabs on top.

Bookmarks bar: https://wiki.mozilla.org/images/e/e4/Firefox-4-Mockup-i06-%28Win7%29-%28Aero%29-%28TabsTop%29-%28BookmarksBar%29.png
Additional app toolbars: https://wiki.mozilla.org/images/a/aa/Firefox-4-Mockup-i06-%28Win7%29-%28Aero%29-%28TabsTop%29-%28ExtraToolbars%29.png

This is a mockup with the menu bar still shown, which is the plan for Win XP:
https://wiki.mozilla.org/images/2/2e/Firefox-4-Mockup-i06-%28XP%29-%28LunaBlue%29-%28TabsTop%29-%28MenuBar%29-%28BookmarksBar%29.png
25.06.2010 16:46

KaiRo

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Peter:
Those mockups don't solve the problem that now items live inside the tab that are actually application-wide controls - though one could argue that a bookmark at least *loads* in this tab unless I select it to open in a new tab or window instead.

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25.06.2010 16:56

Pavel Cvr?ek (JasnaPaka)

aus Pilsen, Czech Republic

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Maybe we should think if moving mail, editor etc. to tabs is right thing. Don't be confused I think idea "everything is a tab" is good but do you want to mix browser tabs with mail, editor etc.?

For example:
- browser tab, browser tab, editor, mail, browser tab

Do you think this will be clear? I don't think. We should find some different way how to switch to another part of suite in one window.

Tabs on top is right thing and I think SeaMonkey should implement it too. If not by default then as a option.
25.06.2010 18:34

Orrin

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In SeaMonkey I think tabs on top makes perfect sense.. as you said.. you could have a browser tab open and a Mail tab with different toolbars, etc. If SeaMonkey had this GUI it might make me switch from Firefox because I've long thought a robust addon like Simple Mail(https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/5593/) would be a useful feature for Firefox.
25.06.2010 18:45

zing

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IMO, TOT (tab(s) on top) does make sense for the "Window" menu items, the ctl-1/ctl-2/etc. There exists a clear conceptional/contextual switch between those components. I'd also add that if you already had the browser component open, hitting ctl-1 would take you to that existing TOT browser component.

IMO, TOT where toolbars (or any component) are "duplicated" in each "tot" like in chrome, and i guess will be firefox 4, adds to "conceptual clutterness", because when you hit a TOT that doesn't, like the bookmark manager, that is the clutterness I talk of. That could be a subjective/developer thing, but I tend to see the duplication of data and think, things could be simplified/clarified here. (ob bias, i really don't like TOT, or at least, the way it's implemented, in chrome)
25.06.2010 22:33

Bill Gianopoulos

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Re: tabs on taop and Bookmarks toolbar
You seem to be echoing my issues here. I think that using this and the bookmarks toolbar, which i normally display, makes more sense if the bookmarks toolbar displayed on top of the tabs and could be optionally hidden along with the menu and only displayed if you press ALT. I tried testing something similar to this by moving the Bookmark Toolbar Items to the Menu toolbar, but that just resulted in clicking on items in the Bookmark items not working because of bug 541844.
25.06.2010 23:31

Tony Mechelynck

aus Brussels, Belgium

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_My_ thoughts about "Tabs on Top"
My thoughts about "Tabs on Top" are very simple: It's a pref; the absence of the menubar (as seen in the video) is another pref. If we implement this, every user will have his (or her) own choice of tabs above or below the rest of the chrome, of menubar or no menubar, and so on. So, why not? Isn't “preserving choice and promoting innovation on the Internet” what Mozilla is all about?
26.06.2010 00:07

Kelly Clowers

aus Seattle, WA, USA

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>and I actually can't imagine getting that right without placing tabs on top ultimately

Please, please tell me this will be configurable. I really hate this "feature" and I was disappointed to see FF doing it, but it wasn't *that* bad, since it isn't my main browser. But Mozilla, er, SeaMonkey is my main browser and has been since the 0.9 days.

Tabs on top is very unnatural to me, and even worse it tabs in the title bar - that belongs to the Window Manager, not the app. And in fact, I use Awesome WM with title bars turned off altogether, which could create quite a problem if tabs can't be kept out of the title bar.

People say it is natural to group control that affect the current tab "within" the tab, but I don't see that it is any more natural than grouping the controls in one place and content in another.
26.06.2010 00:47

Vladimir

aus Ru

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Browser on top
As I see the best user of the browser for FF devs is the user who doesn't use the browser at all.

He doesn't save pages at all (nobody works on most important bugs 126309, 115107, 120809).
He doesn't use bookmarks (No bookmarks panel in this video - so where are they - at what position? I have 22 folders and 5 bookmarks in bookmarks panel and need this panel always open and at the same position.)
He doesn't use tabs (3 tabs in this video - is nothing).
He has small monitor (1024x768 pixels in this video).
He doesn't use title panel (no title panel in this video).

OK, SeaMonkey 1.1.19 is a good browser. :)
28.06.2010 15:09

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