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As soon as Australis lands in Aurora, I'll probably switch to Beta, turn off auto-updates, and start researching whether it'd be easier to patch Australis back into having an add-on bar, a real menu (rather than a 1:1 aspect ratio toolbar in a panel), and suitably compact icons and tabs or to port all of my "Goomoz Chromifox" UI changes to SeaMonkey.

Check this addon, it reverts many changes of australis.

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/classicthemerestorer/

Stephan, please check out that add-on mentioned here. The worst thing you can do is stop updating and risk your computer's security. Switching to up-to-date SeaMonkey is still a better option that that for sure. A better one is to use that add-on. Or you find some way to deal with it, like me.

I never said I'd stop updating permanently... though I do see your point. I suppose I could just look up the best way to be warned before a Beta->Stable push, switch to stable, and only turn off updates if it takes more than 12 weeks from landing in Aurora for me to come up with a workaround.

That add-on looks like it'll do exactly what I need so here's hoping that, when Australis lands in Aurora, there are no bad interactions between that extension and my other stuff. If there aren't, then switching channels and possibly disabling updates after I run out of room to retreat while developing patches won't be an issue.

Maybe this is not the place, but...

I think it's time to talk about UI and SM.

One of the most annoying things for me is when some program change its UI and don't allow you to either use old or new UI. That's why i use Word 2003 for example.

I can't understand why people are so interested in "beauty" shapes (but beauty is a very subjective thing) even more than "efficient" or correct things. I'm really really tired of hundreds of re-designs which turns programs or apps in a minefield of bugs.

So i like SM cause it's stable in time. It doesn't have trendy UI changes, and it works as it should, for me is way more powerful than Firefox when you have to manage cookies, data, permissions,...

But it's heavily stalled since past summer. And i guess heavily abandoned from Mozilla. Is that impossible that Firefox team could help SeaMonkey team to get things into normallity? Is what Mozilla wants, raising Firefox to the top and lowering everything else to the mud?

Sorry, but in my opinion it's really sad what it's happening with SM.

I wish you luck in Mozilla anyway and send you kind regards

Maybe, but not in this thread, as this is solely about Firefox and Australis. I do not work on SeaMonkey any more or use SeaMonkey as my primary browser. Both my work and my primary browser are Firefox nowadays.

SeaMonkey was always a complete community effort (since it did rebrand to that name) and did get no development help from Mozilla at all, and that has been true since back then in 2005 and is true now, and it's good that way. Mozilla has supported the project tremendously with infrastructure and is continuing that, but has not and will not provide any kind of paid workforce. If you want any work to happen on SeaMonkey, you need to join its community and help out yourself, that's the only way to make things happen.

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The visually similar buttons for panorama (tab switch), bookmarks and menu are going to confuse people. I find I need the history button more often than I thought, mostly to reopen closed tabs. I never need the tab drop down button, but I cannot remove it. I absolutely miss the add-on bar. Here's the winter season and I can no longer use Forecastfox! Poor timing, guys! I keep Firefox beta around for that. Bring it back, it was very practical to switch it on and of as needed with Ctrl-/. I also miss the orange Firefox button, for no other reason than that the Firefox button is what makes it Firefox in the first place. Without it, Firefox looses its identity. I even modified my user styles to get an orange button on Linux! I tried "Classic Theme Restorer", but it doesn't bring a working add-on bar back, which I need most. The add-on bar is just empty.

So Mozilla is acting like a big company, giving some servers as charity, but taking its own decisions in favor of a bunch of selected projects and forgetting where they came from.

Sorry for this offtopic and my uneducated answer, but i'm losing my faith on opensource community, after seeing so many conflicts between people there (Suxbuntu, MAME,...). It's like people can't live in peace and harmony, helping each others and working for a commnon benefit.

Anyway, i read you since some years ago and i keep on wishing you luck in your personal case

I stop the offtopic now, and won't talk about this. Sorry again.

That's a very unfair characterization of the relationship between Mozilla and SeaMonkey.

Not even a huge, rich company like Google can afford to throw money at every project. Mozilla definitely doesn't have the resources to.

Mozilla had a big, heavy, "everything but the kitchen sink" application and felt they needed to fix that.

When they released what was essentially "Mozilla Browser 2.0", some other people decided they liked the old version better and stepped up to maintain it.

It's not "forgetting where they came from". From the Mozilla perspective, it's more like Ford donating some resources to a "modern-day Model-T" enthusiast club while they push forward on designs like the Focus, Mustang, and Taurus.

They have NO obligation to do anything with designs they consider obsolete. (And, trust me, I fully agree that some of their new designs are stupid like removing the RSS icon from the location bar. Doesn't change the facts though.)

To avoid restarting things, this will be my only post on the topic.