The roads I take...

\o/ \o/ It's done! \o/



Finally, after roughly 5 months of the patches being around, reviews have been completed and I could land the places bookmarks patch set (a total of 1.2 MB of diffs, about half of that removal of the old system) in SeaMonkey "trunk" today, which means 2.1a3pre nightlies starting with 20100809 and also the soon-to-come SeaMonkey 2.1 Alpha 3 will be based on the new system.

As mentioned before, this brings a number of improvements:

• Live bookmarks, i.e. displaying feeds as "virtual" bookmark folders,
• Microsummary support, or "live titles", allowing (optional) bookmark titles that are dynamically being updated with info from the website itself,
• Bookmark tagging as an additional possibility of organizing bookmarks,
• More robust storage for bookmarks (including good recovery options),
• "Smart folders", e.g. "recently bookmarked pages", as well as saving bookmarks queries as virtual folders,
• Bookmark icons are working much better and not being lost when they expire from the browser cache,
• More code sharing, meaning code will be actively maintained and developed, which hasn't been fully the case with the older code,
• Possibility to sync bookmarks (between different SeaMonkey installation, but also Firefox or Fennec ones) via Sync (will possibly even be integrated directly into SeaMonkey),
• Easier porting of bookmarks-related Firefox add-ons to SeaMonkey,
• And probably more.

I'll also repeat the list of noteworthy "feature losses" or changes compared to the old code:

• "Groupmarks" are being replaced by being able to open any bookmark folder in tabs (middle-clicking a folder title or selecting the "Open All in Tabs" entry from the folder display),
• The bookmarks.html file can still be exported to, even automatically at application shutdown, but it's not the main storage format any more. Most usages of the file can be replaced, including using it as the homepage (the sidebar panel can be set instead), but what doesn't work is switching between different bookmarks.html files as bookmarks sources. I strongly believe most use cases for that can be somewhat differently be achieved through the means of the places system, but we unfortunately don't yet have too good descriptions of those use cases and why this "feature" (I'd call it "misuse") is quite popular among a number of people.
• Sharing bookmarks.html between multiple installations doesn't work any more, but using Sync should bring almost the same experience.

There may be some rough edges left in the SeaMonkey integration, for example, the patch for making Modern work has just not been landed yet, I finished it just before I could land the rest, but I hope it will get reviews soon.
Also, I just heard that the code I added a few weeks ago to set site icons correctly so places can use them seems to have been broken meanwhile, so the bookmarks toolbar and probably menu and manager are missing many icons - that problem is probably in our tabbed browsing code, we'll investigate it ASAP and hope to fix still it for Alpha 3.

If you are testing nightlies or the upcoming alpha, and you see things that don't work like they should, please report bugs (make sure you set a dependency on the SMPlacesBMarks bug if it's related to this feature landing). We will try to fix all the problems we can - of course your help is appreciated there as well - so we will be able to ship a great SeaMonkey 2.1!

Places bookmarks are progressing nicely: I did a number of updates in the last weeks for changes on the Firefox side (all dependencies are fixed now) and I also addressed the few review comments coming from Neil. Altogether, esp. due to the former changes, but also as the last round of patches and builds is more than a month old and doesn't apply cleanly to trunk any more, I decided to do a new round of patches and follow up previous rounds of try builds with a fresh version building on current SeaMonkey and Mozilla code. As a change landed yesterday on mozilla-central that breaks all non-Firefox applications and a lot of add-ons, I took the last revision before that for those builds, which should still work fine.

Here are those round 5 places bookmarks try builds:

• Linux tar.bz2
• Mac OS X .dmg
• Windows .zip
• Windows installer .exe

As with the previous rounds, please test esp. bookmarks handling in those builds, ideally with copies of real-world profiles (they might destroy anything as they are highly experimental, don't use them with any profile that has no backups) and report any issues you're seeing.

Update (July 5): As Igor Velkov (iav) noticed, I apparently built the wrong application on try. I now have done another run with the correct settings (I hope) and updated the links to point to those builds.

Today, I could land the history performance patch, and now the places bookmarks patches are ready for review!
I fixed all bugs that have been reported to me from the previous rounds of try builds - at least I hope so - and incorporated more work to be synced up with the Firefox side of places. New patches are up on the bug, I hope Neil finds the time for the actual reviews.

And here are the round 4 try builds from those new patches:

• Linux tar.bz2
• Mac OS X .dmg
• Windows .zip
• Windows installer .exe

As with the previous rounds, please test esp. bookmarks handling in those builds, ideally with copies of real-world profiles (they might destroy anything as they are highly experimental, don't use them with any profile that has no backups) and report any issues you're seeing.

I did it again - this time, exactly one month after the initial posting of a full patch set, I updated the places bookmarks patches, now even including the latest work that happened on the Firefox side.

And here are the round 3 try builds from those new patches:

• Linux tar.bz2
• Mac OS X .dmg
• Windows .zip
• Windows installer .exe

As before, please test esp. bookmarks handling in those builds, ideally with copies of real-world profiles (they might destroy anything as they are highly experimental, don't use them with any profile that has no backups) and report any issues you're seeing.

I have posted about places bookmarks try builds before, and meanwhile found a few flaws that broke a few things in the first round, have a WIP patch for getting icons set in the database when pages are visited, and ported some small fixes made to the Firefox side of places.

I have just moved to using builds with places bookmarks for my daily browser usage (and ones with L10n-merged German L10n, which should make dogfooding even more fun), so I hope I'll find out about some of the possible issues myself, but more testing from the community is highly wanted!

And here are the round 2 builds:

• Linux tar.bz2
• Mac OS X .dmg
• Windows .zip
• Windows installer .exe

Once again, please test those builds, ideally with copies of real-world profiles (they might destroy anything as they are highly experimental, don't use them with any profile that has no backups) and report any issues you're seeing.

After a few attempts, I have created try server builds with my places bookmarks patches. Note that those are trunk builds with a huge pile of experimental patches on top, so use them with care.

Also note that they should import your bookmarks.html into places.sqlite but that's only done if you have no JSON backups in the "bookmarkbackups" directory of your profile and no bookmarks are in the places database yet (which should be the case in a profile of any previous SeaMonkey version). This also means the import is only done once - if you're using the same profile with other SeaMonkey builds and then use it with a build with places bookmarks again, you need to manually import your bookmarks.html once again - there's an option in the bookmarks manage for that.

Things that should work:

• Auto-import of HTML bookmarks (see comments above),
• Microsummaries (e.g. when bookmarking a bug list, you can select a "live title" with the bug count in it),
• Live Bookmarks (adding feeds as live-updated bookmarks folders),
• New personal bookmarks toolbar and bookmarks manager,
• And probably more.

Known issues:

• Icons of web pages are possibly not fetched when adding bookmarks. If I don't find out how to fix this right now or it's not trivial to fix, this can possibly be done in a followup bug when the main work has landed. Still, it might be trivial, as I think it worked at some stage of my work.
• No new UI preferences are added, we will look into that in followup bugs. The backend supports a number of the preferences, though, like adding bookmarks to location bar search results or exporting bookmarks.html automatically. We will probably add UI preferences for those things in followups but will not switch those things on by default.

Having said all that, testing and reporting issues is very much appreciated, here are he builds:

• Linux tar.bz2
• Mac OS X .dmg
• Windows .zip
• Windows installer .exe

Please test those builds, ideally with copies of real-world profiles (they might destroy anything as they are highly experimental, don't use them with any profile that has no backups) and report any issues you're seeing.

Some people might remember that I had worked on the places history support we shipped in SeaMonkey 2.0 (as a side note, congrats to the Camino folks for making the jump as well).

Now I've done work on the next step, converting bookmarks to places:



I have the first part of the patch up in the place bookmarks bug report, which doesn't implement anything really visible yet, though.

There's a lot of work in this work I have done here, there are a few flaws left, and even when it lands, this is a start, not a final state of our reworked bookmarks support.
There are a lot of things we can and should improve in followup bugs, I have some ideas on that and I know other people in the community have as well - esp. in those few areas where the old bookmarks system has features the new system can't offer. And we will be working on those and accepting patches, of course.

We will do this change though, as there are a number of things the places bookmarks system can offer that the old system can't.

Here's a some of the improvements I currently know about:

• Live bookmarks, i.e. displaying feeds as "virtual" bookmark folders,
• Microsummary support, or "live titles", allowing (optional) bookmark titles that are dynamically being updated with info from the website itself,
• Bookmark tagging as an additional possibility of organizing bookmarks,
• More robust storage for bookmarks (including good recovery options),
• "Smart folders", e.g. "recently bookmarked pages", as well as saving bookmarks queries as virtual folders,
• Bookmark icons are working much better and not being lost when they expire from the browser cache,
• More code sharing, meaning code will be actively maintained and developed, which hasn't been fully the case with the older code,
• Possibility to sync bookmarks (between different SeaMonkey installation, but also Firefox or Fennec ones) via Weave Sync,
• Easier porting of bookmarks-related Firefox add-ons to SeaMonkey,
• And probably more.

The following "feature losses" or changes to the old code are noteworthy:

• "Groupmarks" are being replaced by being able to open any bookmark folder in tabs (middle-clicking a folder title or selecting the "Open All in Tabs" entry from the folder display),
• The bookmarks.html file can still be exported to, even automatically at application shutdown, but it's not the main storage format any more. Most usages of the file can be replaced, including using it as the homepage (the sidebar panel can be set instead), but what doesn't work is switching between different bookmarks.html files as bookmarks sources. I strongly believe most use cases for that can be somewhat differently be achieved through the means of the places system, but we unfortunately don't yet have too good descriptions of those use cases and why this "feature" (I'd call it "misuse") is quite popular among a number of people.
• Sharing bookmarks.html between multiple installations doesn't work any more, but using Weave Sync should bring almost the same experience.

Note that it's intentional that we are doing this early in SeaMonkey 2.1 development so we can improve the code further based on feedback from testers. Also, we're not completely mirroring Firefox, as we're keeping history and bookmarks as separate windows, and our bookmarks organizer looks much more like our standard SeaMonkey windows. We keep the bookmarks button in the personal toolbar (which of course can be removed with the customize toolbar feature).

The work in progress I have on my desktop is so far doing quite well, almost everything is working fine, with the exception of HTML import/export (needs the relevant service to move to toolkit) and the keyword feature in the location bar (places supports it, I just haven't yet found out how to hook it up).

We will have places bookmarks in SeaMonkey 2.1, with a good number of additional features, and it's progressing well. We are trying to keep the inconveniences low for people losing something they used, please let's help together to pull this off and make it a good experience for everyone.

A lot of work is still to be done, let's work together, help each other and make it an experience that is as good as it possibly can be!